Are identity speculations in any way helpful?

Julie Mahasi: Saniaga had a brother called kitsutsa. What happened to them that rendered the falling apart? No matter how twisted it might seem, kitsutsa ni musaniaga.

Lung'afa: George, this is the status quo we were fed from since nursery school. Tales in their unfounded manner. Propelled and accepted for comfort. By the lay, unperturbed and the 'we are already good with information we have' masses. Who sometimes find it fit for a normal 'Lulogooli' excerpts.

As Saniaga, so far we are past this and it is my request we encourage digging of information to feed our minds and those to come more concrete information. And You Tube has nothing much yet.

Mudengani Kisia: Following. It's reliably true that saniaga is from Saniak. True also, like many other clans that do not claim maragoli descended, we settled earlier than murogori.  But what was the language spoken before murogori came? Did he find the language or he came with it and assimilated the existing clans into it? Or is it a an inter-mixture of two or several like kiswahili? Where is the missing link between saniaga and Saniak? Did saniaga settle all at once or in some kind of waves over time? Why is it that the family tree of saniaga seems younger compared to say kizungu? Could our people have settled earlier, then came to reclaim land rights that belonged to them from murogori.? @⁨Lung'afa⁩ such questions ( the Socratic model) can help find answers where there are missing links

Erick Author: I would have ropped in a certain professor Michael Marlo who has done intensive research on such, but it will be useless. It will just be getting him into a situation he will not be comfortable in. We seem to be willingly and knowingly chasing waterfalls here. But there are solid facts, established by research kitambo tu.

Lung'afa: Would you please mention their publications so that we chased them. After all their works started by oral tale. And we are even better placed now unlike the modalities of study 50 years ago in comparison. 

- We need their works.  Not them.  😇

Neccy Flossy: There was "ikirumindu" so the brothers may have had their homestead "kusambulwa" so like everyone fpr themselves and God for us all😜😜😜😜truth is truth irrespective

Lung'afa: Then there is Vikevo in Maragoli. The first said to be Namagodo of 1732. If it is true then it is the earliest oral documentation. 

But the 1840 age set was called Nyongi by the Maragoli while the Kalenjin with stronger age set ties recurring every 120 years did call their 1845 age set Nyongi. Relevance? 

We also have Ngulungulu age set of 1770. The Kalenjin have Korongoro that started in 1940.

Frank Agesa: By the way does it matter if one of kalenjin clan is saniaga?what are they going to help saniagas now when a fellow saniaga/maragolis  can't help each other?

Idia Evans: Funny

Victoria Ndanyi: It's more of wishful thinking and attempting to grab every prominent rift valley person as clansman 😁😁. 

@⁨Baba Ndanyi⁩ wrote and published some book(s). His late dad also wrote some books on history of maragoli, clans and other cultural matters. 

So, we are not like the makonde's at the coast who migrated to another country so tunatafutana,😝. 

What I know, scarcity of land in maragoliland makes us migrate in search of land in other areas.

Erick Author: Exactly. I have a very informative book by Elisha Ndanyi. We should bling hard to our genuine heritage and be proud of our own and who we are.. Instead of seeking gratification through association with that which isn't even ours.

Lung'afa: It is a good morning today and I am headed to Cherengani Hills for more on Saniak. For the fun of it. 

@⁨Erick Author⁩ and company, please hold your horses. Do not stand on the way. If the four Murogoli clans is paramount information to you then you will be no different than our fathers who know nothing more than their grandfathers. This is ignorance. 

The cheap notion that we  may want to associate with the might in the findings has cropped. Will you deny them Saniak roots and will refuse them? Those are public names and mentioned as AOB to keep us in the light.  

Let Victoria and Caroline to lose interest. But a man... 😇😇, no never. Heighten up and search for your roots.  Receive what comes dear and use it to ask more questions. 

- Nziii

Julie Mahasi: I can agree with you on one note, very few vasaniaga can help each other when I good positions. Very few. But knowing your roots is very important.  Just come to think of it, we have daughters and sons. So we don't educate them on the broadness of our leneage, one day they come home with this beautiful kalenjin boy/ girl. After introductions, you learn they are saniak. What do you do?

Peter Kirima: Go go go Lung'afa. Just pressed with many errands at present but will soon embark on more research. Keep going on this noble course we are behind you.

Baba Ndanyi: Hi family, I have read the contribution you made on 'why we want to dig deep into the roots of Saniaga/Mulogooli and their entire history', my take here is knowledge is power, that little knowledge you have on something however small or useless, will come in handy one day, we are not stepping on anyone's toes by knowing kivyator was a Msaniaga, we are not even contemplating on one day claiming a share in his Billions, but we are happy we know, it makes some of to grow in wealth just because we have someone within our sphere of influence to emulate; let me ask, if you were referred to two people you don't know at all, one a Saniaga and the other anybody else, be honest who would you most likely go to?

Lung'afa: @⁨Peter Kirima⁩ on the search for Khalisa, the Highland nilotes were first on classified as Nilo-Hamitic but later history dropped hamites letting Sudanese, Somali and Mijikenda host it. 

The Saniak in Marakwet look like Somalis just like those in Keiyo. 

- Hamitic roots unopposable

If we would ever write our story, we shall be obligated to also write the history of Mulogooli. 

Allow me to speculate:-

Mulogooli is said to have roots in Arabian Peninsula by those who write. We can start our questioning here. 

Nabwenge is said to have died in Ethiopia. We can have two three questions here.

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Kitanga is quoted as Lo Kitang' to mean Pokot citation for the place of Kitanga. And this Kitanga they write is an early murogori. We can take a sit here. For questions are many. 

Come to Lulogooli. My agony has been to write r and not l but those who insist on l, example being  Author Ndanyi says that his father spoke 'l' and not 'r' the way Baba Ngoda agrees there is a hard 'r' among the Nairobians which was not there.  

And what would be the effects? 

- Sema Nasi

Caroline Rudenyi: Whooa,tutasikia maneno

Lung'afa: Maybe those who wrote Mulogoli history by default were writing tales of Saniaga / Saniak. 

We can count then we are home and end the speculations. 

Peter Kirima: Take a keen look at buzeki bundotich and your hypothesis is sealed. We cannot rule out ancient Nubia and ethiopia/maasai. Misri ancestry coordinates this reasoning.