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The struggle with many a rigid Logooli cultural practices

  The Logooli community is one of the deeply cultured societies – with near everything supposed to have been done as per custom – to allow another custom to follow. One example is that for a mature man (with a child or more) to be buried, there must be a house structure at home. Another is that a boy must be circumcised and nursed in father land. If maternal family decides to, the boy will have a hard time reconnecting with father people - a dent on his masculinity. There were two children who got burnt to death in a house in Nairobi. The single mother had left for night work. Elders were told that one of the children was Logooli. The other, the woman had sired with someone else. The Logooli family wanted to burry their little one and long discussed the do’s and don’ts. Of a man who died childless and the grave was placed as if he had died as a man with children. It should have been dug on the sides, the grave. A real thorn should have been thrust in his buttocks, his name go...
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Otiende - Saniaga not varogoori

Peter Kirima: Excerpt from 1949 book by J.D. Otiende entitled Habari za Abaluyia

Lung'afa: Otiende is Munondi (this clan has tales of voroji -do not misquote me.) He mentions waganga there....vanondi had strong ones. 😎

Peter Kirima: 🙄Esu

Peter Kirima: He mentions that maragolis might have come from down south or there about? Zimbabwes (shona speaking) use 'dz' alot.

Lung'afa: Which clans...what does he say of 'foreign' clans in the book,

Peter Kirima: He doesnt mention much. Consider this excerpt however.I found it interesting

Lung'afa: 😉 wenye tuko Nandi woi.

Peter Kirima: From JD Otiende ,Clearly we are not maragolis.about time to discover who we are

Lung'afa: He adds to others...We either are of Luo or Kalenjin origin. But when we speak of  Luo we speak of a people who are short lived. To think you are a Luo is not enough, Luo is an amalgamation of other tribes mostly Bantu. But to be a Kalenjin yawa! We can refuse that by saying we are of Southern Bantus which Maragoli say they are and we arent. Haha. We need to dig up ⛏🗝

Ndanyi Saniaga: JD Otiende and Mathews Mwenesi were Subas, Avasuva; halala na Saniaga na Gusiihi (Gusii), they followed their uncle Mulogoli and made the clans thus.

Peter Kirima: Luo! No. Should be Nandi  and other semetic tribes. JD Otiende reckons that masai people sorrounded the who luhya land. He also says when tribes fought they were replaced and never returned to original land. He also mentions femine replaced people and they never returned to original place. Saniaga could be a mixture of everything from masai, nandi na other luhya tribes

Lung'afa: I have orbituary of Otiende. Let me capture his clan...

Lung'afa: Jakamunara is Luo. Onamu believes we were fathered there. Onamu kutura Gambogi.

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