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27/09/2017, 8:11 am - Ndanyi Saniaga: I like the advice by Ben
Solomon, that if you want to go far go as a group and if you want to
fast go alone, there is a lot of wisdom in that saying!🙂 Now that
we've cooled down, back to my point; registration of members is a
must, Metrine should organize to issue receipts and/or membership
cards; T-shirts are for identity; and for those who can go an extra
mile, give your 1k for progress. We have also programmed to meet at
Sosa for a get in together/AGM towards the end of the year. Try to be
part of these events. Muhonge vulahi mu Mwami. 27/09/2017, 8:28 am -
Kibisu Joash: How many have registered with the group mr patty
27/09/2017, 8:57 am - Evans mwifa saniaga: ✋🏾 27/09/2017, 9:16 am -
Lung'afa Igunza: 19 have registered. Govedi finally sold his hen. 😃😃
@254722873456. Shall he be crowned the whip? Hehe 27/09/2017, 9:29 am
- Naviava John: <Media omitted> 27/09/2017, 9:29 am - Naviava John:
Haha avasaniaga murambunanya izimbaru!engoko iiziyi kumbura Govedi
yiihandikizi 27/09/2017, 9:54 am - Govedi Muzami: 😜👍🏿 27/09/2017,
9:55 am - Govedi Muzami: Vasaniaga varura paa😁 27/09/2017, 9:59 am -
Govedi Muzami: I'm really looking forward for the Dec get together
ahango hitu Sosa Cottages where will drink and dine together and agree
to disagree👌🏿👍🏿 27/09/2017, 10:07 am - Kibisu Joash: Looking
forward to that day 27/09/2017, 10:08 am - +254 727 060737: Which date
chairman? 27/09/2017, 10:11 am - Ndanyi Saniaga: Still undecided
27/09/2017, 10:13 am - +254 727 060737: But may be DECEMBER, the last
week,for brainstorming? At least majority will be around? 27/09/2017,
10:17 am - Govedi Muzami: Chairman we need to have a date set early. I
have floated some ideas to Lungafa which I am sure will be collated
with others to give us a Plan of Action to guide 2018 and yonder. Most
importantly the element of participation as pegged on our
constitution. 27/09/2017, 10:35 am - Kibisu Joash: Avandu yava vamanyi
ul'logoli mba. 27/09/2017, 10:38 am - Naviava John: Vavoraanga
umusaniaga wagerigari siaaveezaa neemoni ndara kari hakuzu.what is
the deeper meaning vandu viitu? 27/09/2017, 10:44 am - Metrine
Saniaga: Noted. Let's brainstorm n come up with the best option,
laminated cards or the ATM form of cards? 27/09/2017, 10:46 am -
Kibisu Joash: ATM form cards think are the best 27/09/2017, 10:53 am -
Bensolo Ndanyi: <Media omitted> 27/09/2017, 10:53 am - Bensolo Ndanyi:
For more about it contact me 27/09/2017, 11:03 am - Metrine Saniaga:
Sawasawa 27/09/2017, 11:16 am - +254 727 060737: Vanga vwaha?
27/09/2017, 11:26 am - Kibisu Joash: Avahandikanji mugorova murusungu
27/09/2017, 11:27 am - Selma Nolega: 🙋🏽🙈 27/09/2017, 11:43 am -
+254 727 060737: Kurumanyi.Unyarakomonya mba 27/09/2017, 11:53 am -
Kibisu Joash: Timu saniaga ambao wanaenda gemu ya ingwe tukutane
KASARANI 27/09/2017, 11:53 am - +254 726 305109: <Media omitted>
27/09/2017, 11:56 am - Kibisu Joash: <Media omitted> 27/09/2017, 12:00
pm - Kibisu Joash: <Media omitted> 27/09/2017, 12:35 pm - +254 729
091938: What the hell is this group for are they just well organised
to market T-shirts and request registration money but doesn't have the
Agendas of the group? - -I actually don't understand this group main
purpose- -Even no proper Introductions of the entire staff?,Kindly
better person to explain it here detailed otherwise some of us will
pull of- -Good idea but need proper explanation and definitions
27/09/2017, 12:36 pm - Bensolo Ndanyi: First question hope u are home
27/09/2017, 12:38 pm - Martin Kidiavai: ☝..boss moto sana..
27/09/2017, 12:40 pm - +254 729 091938: Let us also learn to discuss
things that are sensible and mature 27/09/2017, 12:40 pm - Kibisu
Joash: Boss my aim Was trying to identify myself so that when l meet
one of the saniaga we chart and get to know one another. Sorry for
inconvinience caused. I pull it down sorry. 27/09/2017, 12:40 pm -
Bensolo Ndanyi: 😒 27/09/2017, 12:42 pm - +254 727 060737: Pls,don't
say hell.They have good intention but they need input of leadership
training on how it is done 27/09/2017, 12:43 pm - Bensolo Ndanyi:
Second question do u want us to grow or u want to grow? 27/09/2017,
12:44 pm - Karani Victor: I think the agendas have been being
explained here time to time. Maybe you are new or you haven't read all
posts here. For me am satisfied by what I see.
Just cool you will know more🤝 27/09/2017, 12:46 pm - Martin Kidiavai:
Saniagas are profiled to be tough and aggressive but let us not
appear/sound provocative and certain quarters will feel looked down
upon.....We exercise patience and mantain decorum 27/09/2017, 12:48 pm
- Karani Victor: 👊 27/09/2017, 12:49 pm - Bensolo Ndanyi: Exactly my
point there 27/09/2017, 12:50 pm - Martha Ndanyi: The Tishos are very
expensive reduce the price aaaaaaiiiii 27/09/2017, 12:51 pm - Bensolo
Ndanyi: It's OK actually prices of printed T-shirts are 1500 and over
27/09/2017, 12:53 pm - Martha Ndanyi: Noooo ibuy printed t shirts bana
mm will send soo tanno nipewe 27/09/2017, 12:53 pm - Bensolo Ndanyi:
depending on the quality 27/09/2017, 12:53 pm - Bensolo Ndanyi: 😒
27/09/2017, 12:53 pm - Martha Ndanyi: 😂😂😂😂🤙 27/09/2017, 12:56 pm
- Lung'afa Igunza: Tom, I privately texted you yesterday. Till now you
haven't responded. Yet you have a bullet in the air. Bro, go slow. No
one is paid to explain anything to anyone! As one of us everyone has
to speak and suggest views in a manner to show personal commitment and
love for the family. - Reply my text please 27/09/2017, 1:00 pm -
Metrine Saniaga: Well for those of us who joined the group kitambo we
started by tracing our roots where we came from our identity n so
called relatives ie avasaniaga vaveye ivunandi, vhu kumadzi etc Then
we had the pleasure to introduce ourselves to the 10th generation😉
Then we stated our mission,vision,agenda na ndio hapo mang'ana Gi
zisendi gaturira, officials were selected n asked to affirm their
willingness, they did! From here to those who joined later could pls
ask for clarification of anything without bombarding the wall with
feelings臘♀ pls It is also allowed to add more ' mature' leaders or to
offer mentorship aside... Nyanzi nduguduze amang'ana yaga gosi mu
llogooli Ku Kuvhe voosi on the same page but it will take me a novel.
27/09/2017, 1:01 pm - Karani Victor: 👊 27/09/2017, 1:09 pm - Govedi
Muzami: 👆🏿👆🏿👆🏿👆🏿👆🏿this is harsh! 27/09/2017, 1:09 pm -
Lung'afa Igunza: We are indeed having a T-shirt day.
👌🏿😃🌝
Let us keep talking.
-Through it we learn. 27/09/2017, 1:53 pm - Bensolo Ndanyi changed
from +254 798 854323 to +254 772 361779 27/09/2017, 1:23 pm - Govedi
Muzami: Kindly go to the blog brother. It is not fair to water down a
groups effort. Kindly ask before blowing it up the wall. It really
discourages the effort the likes of the Chairman and the interim crew.
Remember these people are volunteering their time and to some extent
resources. Let's use a kind and civil language when addressing issues
here. We people (saniagas) from all walks of life. Personally if I
felt the group is not addressing my agenda, I would leave without
threatening to do so. We are here because we want to consolidate our
efforts towards a better tomorrow. Excuse me for the
rant🙏🏿🏃🏿🏃🏿🏃🏿 27/09/2017, 1:24 pm - Govedi Muzami: .....and if
you leave🏃🏿🏃🏿🏃🏿🏃🏿, we bring you back😜 27/09/2017, 1:53 pm -
+254 772 361779 changed to +254 798 854323 27/09/2017, 1:53 pm -
Bensolo Ndanyi changed from +254 798 854323 to +254 772 361779
27/09/2017, 1:33 pm - +254 711 379383: 👏👏👏 27/09/2017, 1:34 pm -
Eddy Ludodo: 🤣🤣 PS 27/09/2017, 1:53 pm - +254 772 361779 changed to
+254 798 854323 27/09/2017, 1:53 pm - Bensolo Ndanyi changed from +254
798 854323 to +254 772 361779 27/09/2017, 1:53 pm - +254 772 361779
changed to +254 798 854323 27/09/2017, 1:53 pm - Bensolo Ndanyi
changed from +254 798 854323 to +254 772 361779 27/09/2017, 1:54 pm -
Lung'afa Igunza: This true. 27/09/2017, 2:06 pm - +254 772 361779
changed to +254 798 854323 27/09/2017, 1:56 pm - Selma Nolega: OK so
help me understand, 1.I have gone to saniaga.blogspot.com...how do I
find the objectives of the group or the clear descriptions of what is
intended? There is a lot of stuff going back to 2014 I think but I
have a challenge accessing the relevant info...I won't manage to read
everything. Since there will continue to be new members can there be a
summary introduction for all new joiners? 2. Objective #1.1 on the
constitution is to sustain a sense of belonging among members...how
will this be done?is there a meeting?...it is hard for me to feel I
belong/contribute when I barely know people in the group or its
objectives. 3.Objective #1.3 cooperate n assist projects, undertake
capital investment programs that will assist better lives of all. So
when we are being asked to contribute 500for membership and 1000 for
investment,what investment is it...shouldnt it be we have the business
plan in place first,costs/risks/benefits and then call for funding?
And how will I benefit from my 1000? Coz for me I would want to be a
member just for belonging not investment since it seems there is no
clarity on what investment is to be done... 3. Mambo ya pesa ni
ngumu...where r the checks n balances regarding the funds? How come
the account isn't open if there are officials already? Statements? 4.
I had asked what happened to the previous office and what mistakes led
to the decline of the group previously,before this new boost of
energy? 5.on communicating in maragoli,for a person who cannot
understand it, saying that all people to use it to communicate will
just make things harder...I may be the only one who doesn't understand
and if so let me know so I can perhaps consider my options. 6. Had it
been communicated and agreed that discussions in this watsapp group
forum are to be copy/pasted on the net? I need clarity on this as
well. Thanks 27/09/2017, 2:12 pm - Lung'afa Igunza: 🤔. May the gods
descend. It is getting hotter. In my small way I will try to answer.
And anyone who can answer, it will be good to add. 27/09/2017, 2:14 pm
- Selma Nolega: Nothing hot here,just questions from a person who
wants to understand 😁...thanks 27/09/2017, 2:19 pm - +254 726 305109:
<Media omitted> 27/09/2017, 2:19 pm - Kibisu Joash: This are the REAL
issues. Factual and debatable 27/09/2017, 2:33 pm - +254 733 918100:
Selma you are not the only one, I also don't understand maragoli so
alot of information is lost on me 27/09/2017, 2:36 pm - Bensolo
Ndanyi: Don't worry I was like u five years ago 27/09/2017, 2:37 pm -
Bensolo Ndanyi: With time when u get to converse with this guy and
read the blog and dad's book u will know with in no time 27/09/2017,
2:38 pm - Victoria Ndanyi: It seems like its only about 4-5pple who
know what's happening and everyone else seems lost in the woods. Their
attempts to try get some little info are always met with harsh and
guarded sentiments from some of the 4-5pple. We need a sober, tolerant
person to just handle communication. All of us are respectable people.
27/09/2017, 2:39 pm - Victoria Ndanyi: The chairman does well and
Metrine. 27/09/2017, 2:39 pm - Ndanyi Saniaga: Relax guys, the good
thing is you want to know, that's the starting point, Patty, the ball
is in your court!!🤓🤓 27/09/2017, 2:39 pm - Victoria Ndanyi:
Chairman, I don't think Patty is better placed to handle. 27/09/2017,
2:40 pm - Bensolo Ndanyi: He is relax 27/09/2017, 2:41 pm - Victoria
Ndanyi: I know what I'm putting across 27/09/2017, 2:43 pm - Bensolo
Ndanyi: Great people are not learned look at someone like Ben Carson
he is a good example 27/09/2017, 2:44 pm - Selma Nolega: Huh?
27/09/2017, 2:45 pm - Victoria Ndanyi: You seem to have a personal
agenda. This is diverting issues. 27/09/2017, 2:45 pm - +254 733
918100: 1. Most of the information on membership and the Constitution
has been explained by Patty. 2. The matter concerning investment is
what I don't understand very well, as Selma has explained. 3. Also
maybe wherever a new member joins some of this information can be put
across 4. And if you are adding a member, you could also explain to
them what is going on. 27/09/2017, 2:45 pm - Ndanyi Saniaga: Give him
time , am meeting him on Friday, will instruct him on how to pass the
info 27/09/2017, 2:46 pm - Victoria Ndanyi: 👍👍 27/09/2017, 2:46 pm -
Selma Nolega: Great...thanks chairman 27/09/2017, 2:50 pm - +254 733
918100: Cool 27/09/2017, 2:51 pm - Lung'afa Igunza: First, objectives,
mission and vision are with the constitution. Not at the blog. The
blog has been my research tool since 2014. And it is now a point to
archive what will be later useful. It may therefore not have all info
on one page but in several pages separated by time.
2. Unless you do not understand or you've double understood what
sustaining sense of belonging is.
-If you can't contribute because we have not had a collective meeting,
the constitution provides that our first AGM will happen at end year.
If you will wait till then for you to register, well and good. But how
would you have an AGM to what you haven't officialised?
- It is just time before you knew all of us. It would not be different
from now. In fact most of the active people here are introverts when
you meet them. Me one.
3. An investment is what we shall settle upon once some amount of
money has been gathered. One of the things that AGM may highlight
would be business plans, future doings. It would be good if by then
some money would be in and members would have known how they are in
resource mobilisation and such. - Not willing to contribute for
investments means you are not for saniaga spirit of love and
cooperation. - Who but you and us need to brainstorm on investments?
No one has yet channelled the way forward for the group. Take the
opportunity to turn the questions into suggestions.
3. (you repeated 3). The bank account hasn't yet been opened. As the
certificate is received we have it as our next item. That does not
mean any excuse of sending money should be nourished. Our treasure, by
the trust we need to have, can receive and disburse funds in a manner
that is open.
4. About the previous office, I hold no remembrance. I understand that
in 80's, when the government disbanded ethnic unifications, it could
have lead to it. A historian would guess other issues like lack of
motivation, individual disagreements... etc. I leave this to those who
can light it.
5. We encourage people to communicate in mother tongue. It is one of
the heritage factors that have pulled us here together. If one finds
it difficult, it should rather be a challenge to learn than a reason
to feel out.
6. About having these discussions posted to the blog is as important
as the future beneficiaries would study. The archives would show how
we moved from point to point. We would, if we take the right path,
come to appreciate it. Shame is in failing, emptiness and whining for
none would want that 'preserved'. Yet it is part and parcel of the
present. However, if one does not wish to be named, the Character can
be Anonymous. Haha. Fifty years from now, to have acted Anonymous,
would be the greatest shame to the then generation.
Having tried to explain, I may have not exhausted or been on point.
That would call for more discussions which are welcomed.
Thank you too. 27/09/2017, 2:58 pm - Ndanyi Madete: Try ignorance. Why
do we go to school? To pass time or just because our age bracket are
in a certain class? This is Kenya my fren! 27/09/2017, 3:00 pm - Eddy
Ludodo: How many Ndanyi's do we have in here? 27/09/2017, 3:03 pm -
Lung'afa Igunza: Victoria, kukiri kukarana emondo! (we have not shared
a gizard).
And sisters need not to look brothers in the eye. Even if the brother
is junior. #important.
I would want to meet you soonest! 27/09/2017, 3:05 pm - Victoria
Ndanyi: 😊😊😜 27/09/2017, 3:05 pm - Govedi Muzami: Some of us might
not be able to write fluent Maragoli but surely we can't claim not
know it at all😳.....Let's be proud to take the opportunity to learn.
27/09/2017, 3:07 pm - Victoria Ndanyi: 😆😆school fees utalipa 😝😝
27/09/2017, 3:07 pm - Govedi Muzami: If you think education is
expensive🤔? 27/09/2017, 3:09 pm - Bensolo Ndanyi: being kenya you
can't follow your ability 27/09/2017, 3:09 pm - Martin Kidiavai: I
would appreciate we steer off PROFILING of individuals in the many
aspects of life... 27/09/2017, 3:09 pm - Govedi Muzami: 👍🏿👍🏿👍🏿
27/09/2017, 3:09 pm - Selma Nolega: The lack of knowledge may not be
by choice... 27/09/2017, 3:09 pm - Selma Nolega: Thank you...I totally
agree 27/09/2017, 3:10 pm - Govedi Muzami: Kind of disagree with you
there Nolega😉 27/09/2017, 3:12 pm - Linda Amendi: Gdafternoon
sanigas...hope site tu buheri wa afya...I've been following keenly
though very new to the group...kindly, I seek clarification on the
1k.is it to be contributed once or monthly,half yearly ama vipi
27/09/2017, 3:13 pm - Lung'afa Igunza: Selma, I would love to hear
feedback. Sometimes the challenge is that once questions are answered,
people take to brooding. It would be my wish that next time such a
view comes up, you take the mantle. - We need to own this. 27/09/2017,
3:15 pm - Martin Kidiavai: We have an array of issues to discuss and
when think you will tear apart our brothers and sister we may be
extremely lethal. I will stand for them and would appreciate
displinary action to be executed. It is unacceptable 27/09/2017, 3:15
pm - Lung'afa Igunza: Till our first AGM thereafter we may see how
best. May the chairperson respond to it. 27/09/2017, 3:16 pm - Selma
Nolega: Chairman said he is to meet with you on Friday....so that is
why I have not yet responded to your feedback...I have read through
your response though and will revert after your meeting with the chair
27/09/2017, 3:20 pm - Selma Nolega: It is ok to disagree...now we have
a point to discuss... Tukikutana😁 27/09/2017, 3:21 pm - +254 710
252234: Watu hawajilipa registration wanaandika wapi comments, I wish
to air my views 27/09/2017, 3:44 pm - Kibisu Joash: Hapa tu!!!
27/09/2017, 3:50 pm - Lung'afa Igunza: Wanapiga tu kelele hapa.
wanauliza objectives. Please air your views. 😂😂😂😂 27/09/2017, 3:52
pm - Lung'afa Igunza: Selma, that if we meet the reply would be
different? Joke, jokes and more of it. What if you replied to inform
the meeting even better? Vasaniaga! 27/09/2017, 3:51 pm - Selma
Nolega: Really? Was this comment necessary 27/09/2017, 3:52 pm - Selma
Nolega: Kuuliza ni makosa...kupiga kelele...wow... 27/09/2017, 3:58 pm
- Lung'afa Igunza: Don mind. Ni ucheshi tu. It was the question that I
found sarcastic. 🙈 27/09/2017, 3:53 pm - Selma Nolega: Isorait my
fren 27/09/2017, 3:53 pm - +254 722 425131: Mr. Lungafa, mind your
language plse. 27/09/2017, 3:57 pm - Selma Nolega: If nothing
else...please accord me as much respect as I have so far accorded you
boss... 27/09/2017, 3:59 pm - Lung'afa Igunza: You have it. Much of
it. 27/09/2017, 4:00 pm - Lung'afa Igunza: Fine, I take the
complement. 27/09/2017, 4:57 pm - +254 710 252234: Mimi najua sijalipa
na sizushi, mmesema objective ni project na kujuana ama hii ni kitu
moja 27/09/2017, 4:58 pm - +254 710 252234: T-shirt nizisiringi zyanga
mbuguri yange ngunzi nayo 27/09/2017, 5:07 pm - Ndanyi Saniaga: I can
see we are almost a crowd, but let's be organized, talk and express
yourselves freely, but remember you are talking to your brothers,
sisters, cousins, parents, aunties, uncles, grandparents, close
relations, so whatever you say, give due respect, it's a blessing and
doesn't cost you anything.