Ndanyi Madete: Enlighten me on the subject matter! T-shirts on sale??? How does the clan benefit in sales or it's part of pushing personal agendas?
Lung'afa Igunza: Mmmmm if you followed the talk you'd enlighten self! Or rather if you seek clarification there are courtesy means.
Ndanyi Madete: So are you selling t-shirts to enrich your self, my simple question is how is Saniaga clan benefiting from the sales? SIMPLE AND STRAIGHT FORWARD.
Remember this is a clan and we are equal to opinions.
I AM SANIAGA.
Ndanyi Saniaga: This was part of our discussion, Saniaga is a platform or a shop where you pay rent for or promotional dues, we make sure that nobody loses anything in the deal.
Sidika : Thank you for the group. Is it possible to include a T shirt as you register? I think the 1k price could be for a track suit!! Unless the group will use the cash difference to our finance starter kit and not a profit for the supplier of the T shirt. We also assume that all Saniagas can afford 1k T shirt. Let's start with recruitment then start selling T shirts. This is my suggestion. Dr. Sidika
Lung'afa Igunza: What if I answered you in equal measure? Now that you are a SANIAGA (bold is shouting!), would you sell to benefit yourself?
Lung'afa Igunza: Dr Sidika, we have been registering since 08/07/2017, when this group started. As members join, it would be good if things kept rolling.
As for whether all may afford, we shall all along have affordables; -vitambaa, kofia na kadhalika. Kibisu, technical in this would say 1K for a customised good is a fair deal.
Here is the gist. No one is pushed to register, contribute or buy anything. It is out of the need to keep the wheel running, the group operating and forth - Even a sweet that goes at 5/- is expensive to some.
-With Love
Ndanyi Madete: Lung'afa Igunza this is a group of members from a clan called Saniaga, which you have to respect. I can see you are an official! Conduct your self with respect to both young and older members of the clan.
Ndanyi Madete: That was a simple question that needed a straight forward answer. A question will never answer another question.
Ndanyi Saniaga: I answered the question of who benefits, here everybody benefits, members get quality T-shirts, the designer gets his professional fee and Saniaga gets its promotional dues, its just a matter of setting the margins
Lung'afwa Muzami: And this did inform my prayers that we have a major meeting to charter the course before getting into these milky waters. Lungafa your efforts are genuine but let's rope in more people to own the initiative.
Lung'afa Igunza: No. There are a people who are natured to ambush others, demanding rather than requesting explanations. Let the Eagle perch and also the hawk, whichever refuses the other, let it break its wing. That shouldn't be if requests are asked modestly.
Lung'afa Igunza: Good people, everyday we speak on this forum, getting from one thought to another. Some see no need, others wait for times they feel like to jump in. The cool thing is to engage in all the nitty gritties. So that you do not become a stranger to what is with you.
Ndanyi Madete: I still insist on my initial question of benefits!
I have been a member of similar arrangements in sports. Let's get it right the beginning always justify the end.
Ndanyi Madete: And this might go a long way to help you in future.
Lung'afa Igunza: What do you suggest? Now that you have been in similar forums. We haven't yet pursued any personal agendas anyway. Do you think there is any?
Ndanyi Madete: If this is the way you are going to run the clan matters, young man, then am sorry I could be in the wrong forum!!!
Victoria Ndanyi: There's nothing wrong with this members question. He just sort clarification. I don't think lung'afa should be reacting defensively every time anyone asks a question. It doesn't mean people are malicious. Its not progressive to always shoot down genuine questions from members even when very new. It makes us shy away from making any meaningful contributions in terms of ideas. We all want to belong but some people tend to overreact on simple opinions.
Ndanyi Madete: I still come to my earlier question kijana, what are the clan' s benefits??? Simple and clear!!
Lung'afa Igunza: I will laugh. First, This is not a clan! I am too young for that. Look at the logo.
Victoria Ndanyi: Pole Mr Ndanyi Madete. Let's give him another chance.
Lung'afwa Muzami: The moment we start believing that other people's feelings are secondary that's the time we did. Accord everybody the space to air views. Ndanyi the chair organize for meeting to cement this group.
Ndanyi Saniaga: Hey guys, this discussion is very healthy, just be patient with each other's sentiments, we have the saying that 'Amazi maduvuku gavula umuyaga' take it from that point.
Martin Kidiavai: To be sincere this is a HEALTHY DISCUSSION..
Ndanyi Madete: Probably he thinks being the founder then he owns the group and it's members. Then Lung'afa you are wrong.
Victoria Ndanyi: My humble request is that the chairman does a small write up so that any new member after joining can get the forward and get relevant info at a glance, otherwise some answers are not friendly at all for this noble group's ideas.
Lung'afa Igunza: Madete was added sometimes early this month. He has not showed any commitment yet. Ameregister?.
Victoria Ndanyi: He's a young man. We are gonna mentor him. He's in the making.
Ndanyi Madete: Let's put our heads together. It's the only way to build a group.
Let's be focused and objective!
What's the purpose of the group?
Jiu : Some members need to go for speech therapy. Words can either build or destroy
Lung'afa Igunza:. Not at all. I am no founder. And I have always said, Mr. Madete, Saniaga existed in the days of Lung'afa, my grandfather! It was then Saniaga Welfare Association. We just rekindling the fire. Your thought here is Thumb Down.
Martin Kidiavai: Guys let us not debate Lung'afa...I believe he has done alot and a vibrant youngman. Importantly Lung'afa dnt respond...
Victoria Ndanyi: By the way this group has all age groups from 18yrs to 120yrs. So we have a lot of mentorship to do to the young people.
Kibisu Joash: Some people prefer faint art works on their Fabrics. Some like them to shout on Fabrics.
Ndanyi Madete: True. And to the point.
Bring an admin does not mean that you own people.
Have courtesy Lung'afa.
Our age differences have to be respected.
Lung'afa Igunza: Victoria, I am ready to learn. Very ready. But you must be an Exceptional teacher to make me go for lunch and come back to school. Or else I would rather stay home to feed rabbits. Getting?
Sidika : I am enjoying the posts and this will help us realize that each opinion maters in a group. So go on with your views. Soon an understanding will emerge. Sidika
Victoria Ndanyi: very interesting...
Lung'afa Igunza: Allow me to respond. I don't get emotional. I just give people the approach they want. So that some worries are clarified.
Jiu : ,of course the ball is in the court of the chairman. The group has good intention but....
Ndanyi Madete: And remember Madete wad the chair and Ndanyi Matayo as the Org. Sec
Victoria Ndanyi: Very good. You are in the process of becoming a good leader. I was also mentored. I'm still being mentored. So don't take it personal. All of us are benefiting.
Sidika : Even opinions are good intentions. Sidika
Lung'afa Igunza: Victoria, age is just a number. Children who do good are always regarded equals with elders. And elders who mess about are said to be children. Where are you on this?
Lung'afa Igunza: Discussions and disagreements are healthy; if you want health.
Victoria Ndanyi: depends on the context. The children will not do good until mentored well by wise adults who have experience in life.
Kibisu Joash: What Patrick has achieved is no joke.putting all this people on one forum is not that simple considering his age. This group is too big. We have watalii and serious people who would like to work with our strength. Instead of castigating Patrick tell us how we can improve this group. What do you think can be done to improve our clan? We need solutions ?
Jiu : Some disagreements are stressful and unhealthy but this one is healthy! It also depends on your reaction and blood pressure!!! Sidika
Lung'afa Igunza: You have limited your thoughts. Not everything is taught.
Ndanyi Madete: Have you asked or floated ideas on the improvements bwana Kibisu?
This is a voice of reason.
You are equal to a healthy opinion.
One that build and not destroy.
Don't be on the defence if you are asked for clarification!
Lung'afa Igunza: Ndanyi Madete, I am very arrogant when I meet ignorant questions.
- My weakness
Martin Kidiavai: ..Looking at a king's mouth you may think that he never sucked at his mother's breast( Chinua)...may this is Lung'afa
Jiu : Guys what's the group agenda jameni, so many things appear jumbled all up and kinda disorderly. Can we focus, have an agenda and prioritize. Otherwise hii mambo ya 100 messages every 10 minutes is a total turn off for serious guys in my view, ama namna gani
Victoria Ndanyi: very serious! Nitakupeleka training. Leadership is no joke. You might destroy your own team with such attitude.
Lung'afa Igunza: This talk is making people wise!
Ndanyi Saniaga: Patty, I think I understand Ndanyi Madete's point of view, he is not joining just because it is Saniaga, he is looking for quality leadership and workable programs, in short he is not ready to waste his time and money on something that would appear temporary, today its there tomorrow its gone, please understand that, Mr Madete, you have every right to question every suggestion even if it looks perfect. And Patrick, you should know you are highly valued even when you are still young, you are part of the Saniaga future that we so much rely on.
Lung'afa Igunza: Excuse me. I am a leader to no one! Everyone should do what is right, be positively committed. I would not be cowed or punched cause I pose like a leader. No one in his good mind needs a leader.
Victoria Ndanyi: We are at the storming session. Remember group formation stages?
Lung'afa Igunza: Thanks Dad. I appreciate.
Ndanyi Madete: I will personally call lung'afa on Friday. Agenda' have to be known.
We must purpose ourselves!!!
Jiu: Wonderful, got it now. If things are going to crystallize with time that's acceptable. Thought itakuwa tu hivi forever
Kibisu Joash: That's the way to go mr madete
Lung'afa Igunza: Ngoda, let me say that the Greatest Agenda for this group, to me, is Socialisation, talking, all that. It is not for business, investments or those things. To me when we talk, as a family, we fullfill the greatest inter human interaction. Allow us, as a family, to enjoy the friendly d
fire.
Ndanyi Saniaga: I believe we should not stop there, do not fear to express your opinion, its the only way to know our strengths and weaker points, we learn thru such and become wiser.
Ndanyi Madete: I will introduce a different perspective to the group to give it more meaning an focus on Friday. Anybody with varying opinion will add, dissent or share new ideas on how we need to co- exist.
Lung'afa Igunza: Wa! Mwakunduriza ruya! Mugone vurahi.
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